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welcome back everybody super pumped

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about today's show i'm louie my buddy

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jason joins me as usual how you doing

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i'm doing fantastic

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good uh today's guest is somebody who is

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involved with the marley woods project

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which is very similar to skinwalker

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ranch we're talking crazy things like

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cryptids and bigfoots and ufos and orbs

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and all the rest he's also the host of

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one of the cast members of the newest tv

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show ufo witness so we asked him about

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that as well today i'm super pumped

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[Music]

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all right welcome back to another

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episode of uap studies podcast i'm louis

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borges joining me as always my good

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friend and co-host jason gilmet how you

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doing buddy i'm doing very good how are

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you i'm doing really good uh we decided

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to don some blazers today kind of spice

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it up a little bit we got a fancy new

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video reel with our our intro so we're

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pumped about that and uh very pumped

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about our guest today uh this

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gentleman's appeared on coast to coast

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he's been on television uh you know he's

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a mufon member he is the director of the

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ted phillips marley woods research

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center uh he's a professional diver and

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all kinds of cool stuff like that and

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we're super happy to have him on the

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show so without further ado please

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welcome mr thomas ferrario to uap

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studies

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hello glad to be here louis glad to have

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you yeah and uh so tell us a little bit

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about yourself uh who you were before

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you got into all this and uh what led

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you uh to where you are now and what

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you're currently working on

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well i'll just tell you it's a long

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story and i'll just cut it short but

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i've been in ufology basically all my

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family some had personal experiences and

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i grew up in a small town rural

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and believe me people had witnesses and

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i've seen witnesses that

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had you know reported things and didn't

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want to share things with their family

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and i've seen people lose their

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employment over it so

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i learned at an early age it's a very

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serious subject and uh

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actually i got in touch on a sunday

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afternoon with walt anders the one of

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the co-founders of the mutual ufo

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network which actually people don't know

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this but that was actually the missouri

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ufo network in the beginning and then it

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approached international and became the

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on about a four-hour call with well uh i

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had some actual cases that he knew

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overlapped in project blue book and he

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convinced me to be a member

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and he actually made me a section

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director at that point

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and introduced me to a gentleman named

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which bruce whitaman was in st louis

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missouri was the first state director

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john schussler was there and but anyway

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and bruce said well you can't be i make

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the section directors and at the time

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you're not even a move fund member so

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gentleman named jim cross which was an

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korean war and so i worked under jim

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great loss to the missouri and mufon but

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in ufology and and move on and

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all-time mentor uh ted phillips and

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i got i offered him uh not even thinking

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ted said well what do you got and i said

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friends over the years and

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woods i know this may not be as well

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known as some of the other locations in

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the world so what is marley woods and

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off the bat is a fictitious name we had

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to do that to protect the location and

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the eyewitnesses and we do have over 260

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maneuver when things would start

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research center out there a two-story

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had better people to work with there

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because i was so fortunate uh here again

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good friend at ted and worked with ted

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the man doing the nuts and bolts work

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marley so it doesn't get any better than

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it is it similar to skin walker ranch

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ufo there's lights and portals and

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cryptids and all kinds of crazy stuff

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then skinwalker now say that say that

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one more time you're a connection cut

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out there tom say that part one

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property control and data um i'll just i

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what this phenomenon is where in the

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beginning the bigelow people went in

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more scientific approach and a more

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smaller footprint type of method that

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has ted used and they're getting more

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disturbing the ground and things like

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that is there anything similar enough

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not so much in us disturbing the ground

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they're coming around at skinwalker now

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one of the things that we felt was truly

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ted and other members of the team and we

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just nailed down because of ted's work

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uh that it was all microwave based

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skinwalker i will tell you and they're

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coming around to that conclusion more

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and more that a lot of the bad guy

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is the microwave radiation

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and you know that's so in the news now

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very real thing you know it's when

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humans are exposed to certain microwave

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frequencies they hear audible clicks it

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affects their health and it just they

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hear voices you know that aren't there

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it's we just nailed down that most of

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our damage to

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animals and the bad guy in marley just

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like they're finding out that skinwalker

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mutilations in marley

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our most famous terrible incident

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we've had light balls we've had the

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unseen force we've had cryptids huge

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white sloth-like type animals the only

282
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bigfoot sighting in the county was in

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marley woods

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so

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when this phenomena is there

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it's there and it's real

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now it leaves down we've got

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physical trace

289
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i mean we've got we collected

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16 inch wide long hair samples that we

291
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did microscopy on and dna work pretty

292
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crude in the day dna work but it came

293
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back no known match we got plaster cast

294
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so it goes on and on from there and um

295
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it's just incredible it really is right

296
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and what is there a reason why they're

297
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keeping it secret like this location

298
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it yeah

299
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ted always felt the ranchers of course

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they don't want

301
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an influx of people on their property

302
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okay and and one of the things contrary

303
00:11:44,230 --> 00:11:42,320
to popular belief you know over the 200

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witnesses we have

305
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none of them have ever wanted to go

306
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public some of them won't even share

307
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this with their family members again

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so there's no financial gain there's no

309
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reason on earth why this stuff would be

310
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made up or be fictitious

311
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and believe me they're just assault of

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the earth people they're real and but

313
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they want ted always agreed we would

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keep their

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location you know and their personal

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data everything

317
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a hundred percent safe

318
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right so we felt ted felt he owed it to

319
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all these people

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and i i'm following up on that i'm i'm

321
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and believe me it is so hard we have so

322
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many people over the years

323
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some that don't think think they know

324
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the location and they don't and some

325
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that find their way

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onto the property

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so i will just say at this point uh

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please one of the property owners nephew

329
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is actually a deputy sheriff

330
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they've taken his private property

331
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you'll be trespassing and if you get out

332
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there

333
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you can't get to the when most of the

334
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occurrences happen

335
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you can't it's it's gated it's fenced

336
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off you can't get to the locations so uh

337
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it really won't do you any good to try

338
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to get on this property so

339
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you know respect these people wishes and

340
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i know myself

341
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i know everybody'd like to be there and

342
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observe this stuff and

343
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and we're that was always ted's wish

344
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we're hoping in the future

345
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with the

346
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the new technologies out there uh

347
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cell camera cell type trail cameras and

348
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we've even looked in because to this day

349
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the internet is not really prevalent out

350
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there so we're even looking into

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satellite phone operated uh trail cams

352
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and but you can imagine the cost how

353
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prohibitive that is right but we want to

354
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get a website back up and have this

355
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stuff viewed 24 hours a day

356
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that anybody can go to this and and you

357
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know they can help us out they can view

358
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through these cameras and monitor this

359
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stuff and if they see anything

360
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they can

361
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log it time it and uh

362
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and so that's the way we'd like to bring

363
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people into marley woods and be

364
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beneficial to everybody

365
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what do you think it is do you think

366
00:14:02,790 --> 00:13:59,839
there's something buried there do you

367
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think it's uh environmental anomaly that

368
00:14:05,829 --> 00:14:04,560
makes it a hot spot like what do you

369
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think is actually causing this

370
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phenomenon

371
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you know i wish i could tell you but i

372
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will

373
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the one thing i can absolutely say

374
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and i know this steps on a lot of

375
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ufologists toes here but

376
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i can only go with the people i've known

377
00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:22,480
like a gentleman now i don't know if

378
00:14:25,829 --> 00:14:24,480
you've heard ray stanford is a good

379
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friend of mine

380
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uh he wrote the book saucer in the

381
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pentagon's closet

382
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uh he's a self-taught paleontologist he

383
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worked in back engineering in ufology on

384
00:14:41,829 --> 00:14:38,800
craft debris

385
00:14:45,189 --> 00:14:41,839
you know jacques vallee ted phillips and

386
00:14:47,910 --> 00:14:45,199
alan heineck but i will tell you and

387
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josh put it the best way i've ever heard

388
00:14:51,829 --> 00:14:49,440
he said that

389
00:14:53,350 --> 00:14:51,839
we have evidence that the phenomena has

390
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the ability

391
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to create a distortion of the sense of

392
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reality to substitute

393
00:15:02,470 --> 00:15:01,360
artificial sensations for the real ones

394
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now

395
00:15:06,550 --> 00:15:04,959
what that means is that

396
00:15:08,550 --> 00:15:06,560
this phenomena

397
00:15:10,710 --> 00:15:08,560
is dimensionally based

398
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it's frequency driven

399
00:15:15,030 --> 00:15:13,120
it has the ability to change your

400
00:15:17,910 --> 00:15:15,040
perception of

401
00:15:20,470 --> 00:15:17,920
reality or what you're visually seeing

402
00:15:22,790 --> 00:15:20,480
now that doesn't mean something's not

403
00:15:23,990 --> 00:15:22,800
there it very much is there and we found

404
00:15:26,949 --> 00:15:24,000
that out

405
00:15:29,509 --> 00:15:26,959
but we do believe this has the ability

406
00:15:31,269 --> 00:15:29,519
of sometimes what you're seeing

407
00:15:33,670 --> 00:15:31,279
whether it be cryptids

408
00:15:35,590 --> 00:15:33,680
or you know like ted used to say the

409
00:15:39,189 --> 00:15:35,600
little gray guys or the

410
00:15:41,030 --> 00:15:39,199
whatever type of perceived alien it is

411
00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:41,040
you always have to keep in the back of

412
00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:43,920
your mind that is this really something

413
00:15:48,069 --> 00:15:45,120
physical

414
00:15:50,069 --> 00:15:48,079
or is this something that i'm seeing

415
00:15:52,230 --> 00:15:50,079
am i seeing what it wants me to perceive

416
00:15:54,550 --> 00:15:52,240
and see

417
00:15:56,550 --> 00:15:54,560
and so often with cryptids out there you

418
00:15:58,069 --> 00:15:56,560
know and when this stuff comes

419
00:16:00,389 --> 00:15:58,079
dimensionally based through the

420
00:16:02,629 --> 00:16:00,399
dimensional boundaries

421
00:16:04,790 --> 00:16:02,639
it's as real as you and i lays down

422
00:16:06,389 --> 00:16:04,800
physical trace we've we've found it

423
00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:06,399
we've seen it

424
00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:08,399
but when it's not there it's not there

425
00:16:13,189 --> 00:16:10,320
and do we believe there's a living

426
00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:13,199
breeding population of large white

427
00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:15,519
swath-like 400 pound animals breeding

428
00:16:19,509 --> 00:16:17,440
and marley we absolutely know there

429
00:16:21,910 --> 00:16:19,519
isn't but when this stuff comes through

430
00:16:24,310 --> 00:16:21,920
the dimensional boundaries which seem to

431
00:16:26,790 --> 00:16:24,320
be weakening i will tell you that's why

432
00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:26,800
you're seeing it in more locations

433
00:16:33,030 --> 00:16:29,440
like marley around the world right now

434
00:16:35,509 --> 00:16:33,040
it's as real as you and i are but

435
00:16:37,910 --> 00:16:35,519
but we always were taught by people like

436
00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:37,920
jock and heineck and like ted said

437
00:16:42,150 --> 00:16:39,920
heineck always said

438
00:16:43,749 --> 00:16:42,160
ted this is so much more than a little

439
00:16:46,069 --> 00:16:43,759
green guy coming here from alpha

440
00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:46,079
centauri that's too simplistic

441
00:16:50,389 --> 00:16:48,720
this stuff is all dimensionally based

442
00:16:52,710 --> 00:16:50,399
and when it comes through

443
00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:52,720
it's inter-dimensional it's not

444
00:16:55,509 --> 00:16:54,240
interplanetary

445
00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:55,519
now

446
00:16:58,629 --> 00:16:57,360
there's a difference there i will go

447
00:17:00,949 --> 00:16:58,639
into that

448
00:17:02,870 --> 00:17:00,959
meaning it's interdimensional

449
00:17:04,630 --> 00:17:02,880
through that aspect it can be

450
00:17:05,829 --> 00:17:04,640
interplanetary

451
00:17:11,029 --> 00:17:05,839
but

452
00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:11,039
that i've met and i if i have to put my

453
00:17:13,669 --> 00:17:12,720
money in anybody i'll put it on these

454
00:17:16,150 --> 00:17:13,679
people

455
00:17:18,390 --> 00:17:16,160
uh i'll put it on there what they've

456
00:17:20,549 --> 00:17:18,400
come away with and that

457
00:17:22,870 --> 00:17:20,559
just the physics and everything coming

458
00:17:24,150 --> 00:17:22,880
from light years away

459
00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:24,160
is really

460
00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:26,160
impossible

461
00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:28,000
dimensionally based coming through that

462
00:17:31,510 --> 00:17:30,720
aspect of it it is possible

463
00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:31,520
so

464
00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:34,320
um and that being said that

465
00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:36,480
i will tell you i that angers a lot of

466
00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:38,400
ufologists and they don't want to they

467
00:17:42,310 --> 00:17:40,160
don't want to hear that

468
00:17:45,669 --> 00:17:42,320
well we've covered uh several different

469
00:17:48,390 --> 00:17:45,679
aspects like we also cover the extra

470
00:17:51,029 --> 00:17:48,400
tempestual models and like

471
00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:51,039
but the the ones from another dimension

472
00:17:55,750 --> 00:17:53,360
we haven't covered that as much we

473
00:17:57,909 --> 00:17:55,760
obviously talked um about skinwalker

474
00:18:00,070 --> 00:17:57,919
ranch some weird stuff happened there

475
00:18:01,590 --> 00:18:00,080
and it looks like it's interdimensional

476
00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:01,600
like people are mentioning portals and

477
00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:02,880
stuff like that

478
00:18:07,110 --> 00:18:05,280
did anybody report portals in that area

479
00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:07,120
as well

480
00:18:11,110 --> 00:18:08,480
yes

481
00:18:13,430 --> 00:18:11,120
we absolutely chad has taken imagery and

482
00:18:15,190 --> 00:18:13,440
got torn them apart and when you get

483
00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:15,200
into what we call the one the light mass

484
00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:17,200
it was in the northern ranch

485
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:20,160
usually territory acreage

486
00:18:23,190 --> 00:18:21,360
uh

487
00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:23,200
he actually pulled this through high

488
00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:26,480
magnification and i have imagery

489
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:29,600
of it looks absolutely like a doorway or

490
00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:31,760
portal and and ted always said here at

491
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:33,440
this aspect he said

492
00:18:37,669 --> 00:18:35,679
he said tom in my early days when i was

493
00:18:39,909 --> 00:18:37,679
a nuts and bolts man if i would have

494
00:18:42,789 --> 00:18:39,919
said portal i wish you would have just

495
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:42,799
smacked me but he said he's he came to

496
00:18:46,549 --> 00:18:44,880
believe exactly what alan thought and

497
00:18:49,029 --> 00:18:46,559
jock and so many

498
00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:49,039
that this stuff is dimensionally based

499
00:18:53,669 --> 00:18:51,360
and their portals open up

500
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:53,679
at precise times and this stuff comes in

501
00:18:58,230 --> 00:18:54,640
and out

502
00:19:00,310 --> 00:18:58,240
and we found them to be very directional

503
00:19:01,990 --> 00:19:00,320
which it was a key in understanding how

504
00:19:04,710 --> 00:19:02,000
you can have one person be in one

505
00:19:08,390 --> 00:19:04,720
location you you hear this so often one

506
00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:08,400
person sees a disc or you know cryptid

507
00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:10,320
people standing on either side of them

508
00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:11,520
see nothing

509
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:13,600
and we experienced that exactly in

510
00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:14,559
marley

511
00:19:19,510 --> 00:19:17,200
uh this stuff when this light source

512
00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:19,520
opened which was a portal

513
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:20,400
uh

514
00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:23,039
we seen this from site two actually

515
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:25,120
where our office was

516
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:26,880
with the property owner

517
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:29,440
10 and i got in my vehicle we drove over

518
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:31,679
to site one where this was

519
00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:34,400
and where we knew the location was we

520
00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:36,799
got there in my vehicle

521
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:38,720
got out of my vehicle we looked around

522
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:40,400
didn't see anything and the property

523
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:42,720
owner we were on walkie-talkies

524
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:44,880
uh the property owner said

525
00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:46,400
when i got back in my vehicle i

526
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:48,960
accidentally stepped on my brake light

527
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:50,160
or my brake

528
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:52,000
he seen my taillight my brake lights

529
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:53,600
came on and he said

530
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:55,440
you guys are right next to the light

531
00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:56,640
source

532
00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:58,640
now that was very

533
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:01,280
you know informative to us because

534
00:20:08,149 --> 00:20:03,919
we got back out we we could see no

535
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:08,159
no nothing of this light source i mean

536
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:10,320
nothing absolutely nothing so it's a

537
00:20:13,350 --> 00:20:11,760
property

538
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:13,360
sorry so you could see it from a

539
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:15,200
distance right if you were in close

540
00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:17,440
proximity to it you could not see it

541
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:20,159
right we weren't from that vantage point

542
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:22,720
and he could see my taillights my backup

543
00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:25,440
lights our brake lights coming on right

544
00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:27,200
next to the light source

545
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:29,280
and we've seen no artifact of it

546
00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:31,440
whatsoever so how do you explain that

547
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:34,159
except we learn it's very directional

548
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:36,000
and uh so

549
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:38,159
the high strangeness of marley goes on

550
00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:39,280
and on

551
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:42,080
three generations there that we know of

552
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:44,159
we tried to get some native american

553
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:45,679
input in it but

554
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:48,080
there is none there and we just recently

555
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:50,400
found out in the last five years

556
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:53,440
at the one spring there was actually a

557
00:20:58,950 --> 00:20:55,520
large native uh

558
00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:58,960
encampment there uh at one time

559
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:00,799
102 years ago

560
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:02,880
so but that was the first time we found

561
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:04,880
evidence of native americans

562
00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:06,559
but there aren't there's no presence

563
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:08,080
there so we don't know how far it goes

564
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:10,559
back but but we suspect it goes back

565
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:13,360
into the native american culture and uh

566
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:16,400
but it's just an incredible place and uh

567
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:18,640
and why it's there and you know what

568
00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:21,120
sets us apart from any other location

569
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:24,240
like skinwalker we have no idea uh and

570
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:26,240
it drove ted crazy

571
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:28,880
we explored caves we went through

572
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:30,400
uh you know

573
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:31,919
property owners said they thought they'd

574
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:32,720
seen

575
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:34,559
the light bulbs going in and out of the

576
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:36,559
caves and uh

577
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:39,520
we just we some caves in close proximity

578
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:40,640
to marley

579
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:42,559
uh we feel that their large cave

580
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:44,880
complexes could have went under marley

581
00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:46,799
but we never found anything in these

582
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:48,320
caves

583
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:50,320
so

584
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:51,679
there is that

585
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:53,760
well similar to skinwalker ranch too

586
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:56,240
with the navajo legends and it tells you

587
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:57,840
that this has been going on a long time

588
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:00,159
if this has already made its way into

589
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:02,559
into the folklore of a culture

590
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,240
it's not just something new and it's

591
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:06,400
something they felt profound enough to

592
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,080
put in the record so that future

593
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:10,240
generations would be educated about it

594
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:11,039
so

595
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:14,080
um do you know of any other places uh in

596
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:16,559
the us that have this type of phenomenon

597
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:18,640
other than marley woods and skinwalker

598
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,799
do you know of any others you know i i'm

599
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:22,640
being aware actually there's another

600
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,360
place in missouri i'm being aware of um

601
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:29,440
a great state director which is a great

602
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:31,520
friend of mine i call him my sister uh

603
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:32,960
debbie zieglemeier i know if you've

604
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:35,679
heard that name yeah yeah uh debbie is a

605
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:38,240
great guy we actually her and i started

606
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:41,840
co-founded the mufon dive team um which

607
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:44,559
john schussler sanctioned and

608
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:47,679
back in the day we had that in 2007 and

609
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:50,400
we did some amazing things but debbie's

610
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:52,000
the state director of mufon now in

611
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:54,080
missouri and she's making me aware

612
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:55,760
there's another location she's come

613
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:58,000
across uh approaching the high

614
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:01,760
strangeness now of marley woods so i do

615
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:03,840
believe this is becoming more prevalent

616
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:05,440
and around

617
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:07,760
and she's heard of other locations now

618
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,760
in the united states and some

619
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:11,760
international locations

620
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:12,720
so

621
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:16,720
the dimensional boundaries are weakening

622
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:19,039
and uh and that gets into another whole

623
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:20,880
another uh

624
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:23,600
section of reality but all i can say is

625
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:24,640
that

626
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:26,799
it is happening more and more

627
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:28,880
and think of how many places nobody has

628
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:31,360
been or they're so remote that it's

629
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:33,200
dangerous to even try to get there you

630
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:35,200
know right there's legends of like grand

631
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:37,600
canyon related things and hidden caves

632
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:40,720
and artifacts that shouldn't be there so

633
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:43,039
as populated as we think we are

634
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:44,640
there's still most of it that is

635
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:47,200
unexplored so my guess is that this is

636
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,640
just the tip of the iceberg when it

637
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:50,880
comes to this sort of thing yeah

638
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:53,039
yeah it i really believe that you know

639
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,960
and and it

640
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:57,120
i will tell you that even when ted and

641
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,159
our team

642
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:00,960
uh we retraced we went to the soccoro

643
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,120
case with lonnie zamorris we had the

644
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,039
great privilege ted felt there was some

645
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:07,679
work undone with that case and he wanted

646
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:09,919
to make a return case and and ted was

647
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:12,159
there with alan heineck in that case and

648
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,360
uh

649
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:15,520
so i mean ray stanford was there with

650
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,799
him and uh

651
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:18,640
and we had the privilege of going over

652
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:21,440
that exact in the location and actually

653
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:23,039
we still found the

654
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,880
ring the rock that they had put earlier

655
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:26,960
around one of the foot pads in the

656
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,159
desert there

657
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:31,200
so uh but on the way out there we were

658
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:33,279
made we were made aware from another

659
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:34,400
individual

660
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,000
of an area

661
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:38,159
similar to marley woods

662
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,640
and we we wanted to get back there and

663
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,400
investigate this and we never got back

664
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:44,640
there but but we were made of another

665
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:48,159
place in new mexico like marley woods so

666
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:49,279
it just

667
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:50,799
you know how many

668
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:53,919
how many are out there yeah right and

669
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,640
so far we know of them a lot from the

670
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:58,400
united states but there's got to be

671
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:00,400
other locations on the planet

672
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:02,960
that this has also taken uh place right

673
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:05,120
that just these weird i don't know if

674
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:06,960
anywhere in canada

675
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:09,600
uh that has anything so vast and remote

676
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:10,480
i mean

677
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:12,159
country up north towards the arctic i

678
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:14,480
suspect there is yes

679
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:15,919
i mean there's plenty of cryptid and

680
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:17,520
bigfoot and all the rest sightings on

681
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:19,279
the pacific northwest where we live

682
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:22,640
right right from oregon north so

683
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:25,039
my thing that my brain gets stuck on is

684
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:27,760
it is it the terrain that's causing this

685
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:30,000
like why do they seem to have clusters

686
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,279
if it was just something that was

687
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:33,600
dimensional based something's passing

688
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:35,279
through it could happen anywhere it

689
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:36,320
could happen over the middle of the

690
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:38,000
ocean as far as they're concerned right

691
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,200
but it is i'm always confused of is it

692
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:43,679
the land is there some magnetism in the

693
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:46,400
rocks is there some energy maybe is

694
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:48,240
there like a ship that's crashed or

695
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:49,840
something and that's emitting

696
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:52,240
um you know radiation or you know and

697
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:53,919
the more you try to pin it down the

698
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:56,159
stranger it becomes and the harder it is

699
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:58,880
to really get anything you know yeah and

700
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:01,360
we tried it drove him crazy you know he

701
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:03,600
he tried to look at it from geologically

702
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,559
and

703
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,960
the topography what

704
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:08,720
and he just never could come up with

705
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:10,960
anything that set it apart yeah and even

706
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,960
the ranchers couldn't come up with that

707
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:14,559
but i mean they dealt with cattle

708
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:17,120
mutilation uh

709
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:19,120
and uh the most scratching you know

710
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:20,640
that's where the typical cattle

711
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:23,600
mutilation exactly like you hear

712
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,320
got a good friend chris o'brien and uh

713
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,080
it's similar to a lot of christmas work

714
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:30,640
that we did and uh and then our horse

715
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:33,520
barn incident you know this horse

716
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:35,039
and i don't know if you heard of that in

717
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:37,039
but that was one of the most graphic

718
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:38,240
yeah i was going to say could you

719
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:40,159
elaborate on that story

720
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:42,799
yeah i will briefly and i usually warn

721
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:45,039
people at this point it gets very

722
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:46,240
graphic

723
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:49,440
uh but basically what that just out cut

724
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:52,159
it down but basically what that entailed

725
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:53,679
was a rancher

726
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:56,080
had a favorite on site two

727
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,240
had a favorite horse in a barn and he

728
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,480
had to have it in the morning of going

729
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:02,159
down

730
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:03,840
into the barn giving his heart some

731
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:06,480
sugar checking on the heart and he

732
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:08,240
walked the fence line

733
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:10,880
now this particular morning he did that

734
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,960
and he walked the fence line he was

735
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:15,120
within sight of the barn

736
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:17,039
uh the whole time

737
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:19,440
about three quarters of a mile away

738
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:22,720
uh heard absolutely no sound no wind no

739
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:26,320
weather uh on the way back to the house

740
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,399
he noticed that the gate was a jar on

741
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:30,799
the barn and he knew he didn't do that

742
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:33,360
as he goes in the barn what he finds

743
00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:35,279
like he described was

744
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,799
just like a slaughter house uh he finds

745
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:41,039
this horse and basically

746
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:42,080
in

747
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:47,360
horse flesh on the rafters on the sides

748
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:48,799
blood all over

749
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,960
this would have been a perfectly good

750
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:52,799
horse right just

751
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:55,840
within a third half an hour

752
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:56,720
had

753
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:58,159
literally

754
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:59,279
blown up

755
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,320
now

756
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,640
unfortunately we wanted always wanted a

757
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:05,039
full-time presence here marley we got

758
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,279
back it was almost seven weeks before we

759
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:09,360
could get back after this happened we

760
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,159
took blood sample soil samples we found

761
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:14,799
no anomalies no explosives nothing like

762
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:15,600
that

763
00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:17,840
and ted getting back with people he knew

764
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:20,240
and he had actually overseas because

765
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,640
teddy so many and a lot of people don't

766
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,760
know this but

767
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,240
when alan heineck with prior engagements

768
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:28,640
or was in bad health ted filled in for

769
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:29,600
allen

770
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:31,840
worldwide he in a lot of several kind i

771
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,240
think it was 13 different countries and

772
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:36,480
ted had come across this similar things

773
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,520
like this

774
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:39,360
and they had there again they had nailed

775
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,080
down that this was microwave and origin

776
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:44,880
and as ted said that the way the rancher

777
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:47,039
expressed it and what we've seen

778
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:48,880
it was if this horse had been put in a

779
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:51,679
microwave oven and exploded

780
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,440
but absolutely no noise no sound and so

781
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:57,440
what does this you know like a pizza

782
00:29:01,669 --> 00:29:00,399
makes no sense and why yeah

783
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,679
it's almost like the horse was in the

784
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,679
wrong spot there was a burst of energy

785
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:06,240
there it happened to be within him and

786
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:08,159
science took over and that was that

787
00:29:11,830 --> 00:29:09,840
right that's not

788
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:11,840
do we think it was done out of a

789
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,559
malicious act or was it just the

790
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,799
artifact of it being in the technology

791
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,120
of this phenomenon at the precise moment

792
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:21,440
yeah you know we don't know uh it we

793
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:23,919
think possibly it's a little bit of both

794
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:27,440
and i will tell you that the phenomena

795
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:29,760
we felt it and seen it ourselves

796
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:32,640
it used fear as a tool

797
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,799
and it would work people with fear

798
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:36,799
now this is a very graphic

799
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:40,080
representation to go to length to go to

800
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:41,760
the work people but

801
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,080
but i will tell you it did i mean

802
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,559
the the rancher the neighbors everybody

803
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:48,480
was terrified by this you know as you

804
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:49,679
can imagine

805
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:50,720
uh

806
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:52,480
yeah when we interviewed george knapp

807
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:55,120
and uh colin kelleher they mentioned the

808
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:57,360
hitchhiker effect you know which was

809
00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:00,240
like long-lasting physical conditions

810
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,919
even weird poltergeist stuff that

811
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:03,440
started happening at their own personal

812
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:07,120
houses so it seemed like either they had

813
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:09,679
angered this somehow or just by being in

814
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:11,840
its presence it now latched onto their

815
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:13,360
energy and they took it home with their

816
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,679
families and everything else and uh yeah

817
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:17,520
it was a very real thing for them so

818
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:19,039
much to the point where when we asked

819
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:21,039
them about it they you know they usually

820
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,880
tell us everything and they were like i

821
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:24,080
don't want to get into it because it's

822
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:25,760
probably so bizarre

823
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,960
they're still worried people are going

824
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:29,039
to think that they're crazy just

825
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:32,159
based on what they saw and experience so

826
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,600
you know did you experience i know you

827
00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:35,120
mentioned that you had some things

828
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,600
happen on that location but did you ever

829
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:38,960
take anything home with you as well

830
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:41,120
similar to a hitchhiker effect

831
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:42,320
you know

832
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:44,480
not so much as a hitchhike we've been

833
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:45,919
very fortunate

834
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,240
uh now ted did have one experience he

835
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:50,720
felt maybe a little bit of that occurred

836
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,240
i myself

837
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:54,240
was fortunate i've never felt that or

838
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:56,000
thought that that i brought anything

839
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:57,840
home in that respect

840
00:31:02,470 --> 00:30:59,840
but i did bring home let me just tell

841
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:02,480
you uh and we just filmed the ufo

842
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:03,760
witness show

843
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:06,159
and they did a recreation in that what

844
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,720
happened to ted and i in that show

845
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,799
but but ted and i one night we were

846
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,720
coming back on and you're you're on a

847
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,720
dirt road off a gravel road off a pay

848
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:17,120
road i mean you're in 1200 acres in the

849
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:20,640
middle of block gated community so

850
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:22,960
nothing in there nothing out and we were

851
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:25,279
coming back after a long night

852
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:26,159
and

853
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:28,640
i noticed in my rearview mirror a light

854
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:31,360
beam and this is another phenomenon that

855
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:33,120
the ranchers have all experienced out

856
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,760
there and my friend adam johnson which

857
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:38,080
was a team member he went on he's a

858
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,440
producer now and does great work

859
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:43,519
made a couple movies he's a great guy

860
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:44,240
but

861
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,159
at the time he was just a team member

862
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:48,240
with us and uh him and i experienced a

863
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:49,440
light beam

864
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:51,600
and one night coming home with ted and i

865
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:53,200
was in my vehicle

866
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:55,200
i seen this thing coming up the road

867
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,480
behind us it overtook our vehicle and

868
00:32:01,590 --> 00:32:00,480
illuminated our vehicle with a pure

869
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,600
white light

870
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:03,760
i mean you could see in the vents in the

871
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,760
dashboard i remember

872
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:07,600
and ted and i

873
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,240
i said to ted are you seeing this and

874
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,000
ted said looked at me and he said well

875
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,799
hell yes i'm seeing this tom

876
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:17,039
instinctively we did a probably not wise

877
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:18,640
thing we both jumped out of the vehicle

878
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,760
on each side

879
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,080
and we looked up in the sky

880
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:24,000
and what we've seen and i know a little

881
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:25,600
bit of lighting and i don't know how

882
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:27,840
you'd recreate this effect

883
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:30,640
we've seen the light beam came off us

884
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,200
you could see a definite end of the

885
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:35,840
light beam as if it was a wall

886
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:38,480
retract in a more like an old camera

887
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:41,760
like a reflex twisting motion now that's

888
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:43,840
the only thing on the show they did they

889
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:46,000
elaborated on a little bit

890
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:48,799
this this light beam we've seen retract

891
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,919
into a

892
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:51,120
circular

893
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:53,919
uh reflex action to a pinpoint and was

894
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:56,559
out now we did not see a structured

895
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:59,200
craft we seen nothing we heard nothing

896
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:00,799
we found no wind

897
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,159
what this was we have no idea but

898
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:06,960
when we got back to on site one where we

899
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,399
had our office

900
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:10,720
uh ted got out of the vehicle at that

901
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:12,240
time and he was a professional

902
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:15,360
photographer too also out i went

903
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:17,120
he dropped his cameras on the ground and

904
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:19,120
he went over and leaned on the wall and

905
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:20,080
actually

906
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:25,039
vomited and he's i said a ted are you

907
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:27,200
okay and he said well i don't know i let

908
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,679
me just stand here while i'm see

909
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:31,679
so he stood there a while and he said

910
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:34,000
i'm going to go up upstairs and lay down

911
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,440
and he went

912
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:37,519
so anyway at that point i thought well i

913
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:40,480
was fortunate i didn't have that effect

914
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:42,960
in hindsight i wished i had that effect

915
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:44,080
because

916
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:46,799
about a week later we went home i left i

917
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:48,159
got home

918
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:50,159
i started having a severe burning

919
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:52,720
sensation in my scalp i couldn't touch

920
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:55,360
my head and my local doctor

921
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:56,960
he thought i had shingles he gave me

922
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:59,120
tests for shingles it wasn't shingles i

923
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:00,960
was even on pretty strong opiates for

924
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:03,840
the pain for about a week

925
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:05,840
uh and then

926
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:08,480
this sounds really strange but i had

927
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:12,079
dark brown hair and if you look on my uh

928
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,079
my youtube channel i've actually

929
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,560
documented all this i have a picture

930
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:18,720
before and after the same haircut same

931
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:21,919
growth within about a month uh my my

932
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:24,560
hair color turned from dark brown to

933
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,760
what you see today white or yellow

934
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,000
uh now had that been the extent of my

935
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:32,320
damages i would have been happy i

936
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:34,320
started having vision problem problems

937
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,159
for the next couple years

938
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:38,399
i went into the local eye doctor they

939
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:39,839
said i had

940
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:43,280
something called a macular cyst now

941
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,079
that's something worse than cataracts

942
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:48,240
you can have extremely it's a touchy

943
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:50,480
operation they use a laser

944
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:53,119
uh you have extremely good benefit from

945
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,720
that or you have bad

946
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:56,639
i was lucky i was fortunate i had good

947
00:35:02,870 --> 00:34:59,440
response from that but they removed

948
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:02,880
the cysts behind my eye macular cysts

949
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:05,839
then they remove cataracts

950
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,720
and

951
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:08,640
you know i asked them what causes this

952
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:11,119
and they said well usually macular cysts

953
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:12,800
something you see in old people and i

954
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:15,280
wasn't old then

955
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:16,720
they said it's just something we don't

956
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:18,800
we in age we don't even know what causes

957
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,440
it but uh it's just something you get so

958
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,520
they really didn't have an answer

959
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:25,760
so on my final visit back in my surgery

960
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:27,680
when they took the bubble off and there

961
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:29,680
was a young eye doctor there

962
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,480
that uh did the final test eye test and

963
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:34,320
took this off and

964
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,800
gave me the okay and just in passing i

965
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:38,960
was so thankful i asked this

966
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:41,040
i said what causes you know do you know

967
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,520
what causes macular cyst and he said no

968
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,599
of course we really don't but he said

969
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:47,680
the only time i've ever seen it he said

970
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:50,480
in my life he said was we had two cell

971
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:52,960
tower workers and one of the cell tower

972
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:55,200
workers was up on this microwave tower

973
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:57,119
and they fired this thing up

974
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:58,880
and they didn't they forgot he wasn't

975
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:01,760
off the tower and he said he had macular

976
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:03,040
cysts

977
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:04,000
now

978
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,560
when when he told me that you could have

979
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:08,480
knocked me over with a feather

980
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,320
because that's so

981
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,480
when he mentioned the name the word

982
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,640
microwave uh

983
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:16,800
there again that backed up what teddy

984
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:18,320
experienced in our line of thought at

985
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:19,359
marley

986
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,480
so

987
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,560
i warned people you know when you go out

988
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:24,720
and view this stuff as they find out in

989
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:26,960
skinwalker i'm sure you see what

990
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:29,599
effects they're having out there now

991
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:33,119
uh it's nothing to mess around with it

992
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:35,200
and you know i will just tell you here

993
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:38,240
um i devoted i always said if i take

994
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,119
people back on marley i will have

995
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:43,440
i will protect them and know if we're

996
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,920
exposed to microwave energy

997
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:47,280
so i brought

998
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:50,240
bought a new piece of equipment just

999
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:53,200
devoted to microwave energy spectrum and

1000
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:55,200
i had that with us on the show

1001
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:58,240
and three times that evening on one of

1002
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,000
the evenings out there in the middle of

1003
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:02,400
a field no power lines nothing around

1004
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:05,359
it had uh visual cues and audible cues

1005
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,400
you know

1006
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:08,880
green yellow red and the audible cues

1007
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:11,280
with it if you if it goes red and you

1008
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:13,680
get that that audible cue you better be

1009
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:14,560
getting out of there because it's

1010
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:16,320
something you're in an area you better

1011
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:18,800
not be in there too long three times at

1012
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:21,119
night we experience that out there

1013
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:24,560
so and i like i told the the individuals

1014
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:25,920
out there that night

1015
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:28,960
i really felt it was just short duration

1016
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:31,359
but i really felt like it was a sign

1017
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:32,880
letting me know

1018
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:35,599
that it it was monitoring us it knew we

1019
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:37,119
were out there and it was a sign to me

1020
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:39,520
that it was still very much there

1021
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:40,880
so uh

1022
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:42,800
and you know how do you explain that

1023
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:45,040
and did they ever figure out what that

1024
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,040
uh spot in the back of your head was

1025
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:49,280
like was it radiation was it uh

1026
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:51,680
microwave burns you know

1027
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,480
it

1028
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:54,400
the the only thing they told me my local

1029
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:56,960
of course the world's doctor um

1030
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:59,200
all they tested me for was of course you

1031
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:01,119
know shingles they thought

1032
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,800
he just said you probably got some kind

1033
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:04,640
of a sunburn or something and which

1034
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:06,560
didn't make sense

1035
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:09,040
so no they didn't go any more i wish we

1036
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:11,119
woulda at that time but

1037
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:14,240
but the interesting thing was ted and i

1038
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:16,000
shared this with a property owner about

1039
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,599
us experienced the light beam which they

1040
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,440
had experienced

1041
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:21,040
we didn't want to go into the physical

1042
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:22,400
effects that much we didn't want to

1043
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,760
worry them you know you're out there

1044
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:25,200
they're gracious enough you're on their

1045
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:27,680
property we didn't want to worry them

1046
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:29,760
you know we get injured

1047
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:31,599
and this was the farthest thing from our

1048
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,760
mind or ted's that we would never come

1049
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,760
back on a property on but we didn't want

1050
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:37,200
to give them the thought

1051
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:39,520
are they going to sue us you know

1052
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:42,720
whatever the liability yeah yeah

1053
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:45,280
absolutely and and here's where i always

1054
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:47,839
tell people always share

1055
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,440
we weren't completely honest with them

1056
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:51,440
we didn't mention that effect

1057
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,359
and you know years after ted passed i

1058
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:55,280
was speaking with the property owner at

1059
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:57,680
site one and i felt i just had to

1060
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:01,280
mention it to him and the property owner

1061
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:02,560
again you could have knocked me with a

1062
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:04,240
feather uh because he said he

1063
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,560
experienced the light beam

1064
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:08,400
which is a strong light beam they

1065
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,160
described coming down

1066
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:12,240
like it's in a honey motion going across

1067
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:15,280
the field the timber uh and it came up

1068
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:17,119
to them several times

1069
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:18,960
and the property owner told me when i

1070
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:21,280
told him about my scalp being burned or

1071
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:22,560
sore and

1072
00:39:26,829 --> 00:39:24,880
he said well i had that several times

1073
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:26,839
tom and i said you

1074
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:30,720
what he said i said you never said that

1075
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:33,359
and he said well you never told us and

1076
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,800
told me either that you had that

1077
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:36,560
experience that so

1078
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,480
had we known that and shared that with a

1079
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:40,560
man at the time you know you got that

1080
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,599
input

1081
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:43,599
like ted always had to have we had to

1082
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:45,520
prove things have three witnesses and

1083
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:47,680
prove things three times before ted

1084
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:49,119
would document it

1085
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:50,960
so that would have gone a long way in

1086
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,320
confirming what we experienced

1087
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:56,640
but it happens you know and and they're

1088
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:59,119
having this now at skinwalker you know

1089
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,960
yeah so you say you didn't see a

1090
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:02,400
structure or

1091
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,319
anything like that behind this light but

1092
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,960
did did it look like there possibly

1093
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:08,240
could have just been something that's

1094
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:09,359
hidden

1095
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:11,839
behind that

1096
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:14,720
it very much could have been cloaked uh

1097
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:16,640
this thing retracted like i said you

1098
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:19,920
know with a twisting reflex motion into

1099
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:22,319
a pinpoint and then it was just gone

1100
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:23,359
right

1101
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:25,359
we didn't see a craft now that's not to

1102
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:26,640
say there wasn't

1103
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:29,119
um now the time with adam johnson and i

1104
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:31,760
you know we were in a deer stand filming

1105
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:34,000
and adam had great camry equipment for

1106
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:34,880
the day

1107
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,880
and we were up there like

1108
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:38,480
four hours in

1109
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:40,560
oh i think it got down to like 16

1110
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,680
degrees

1111
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:43,599
and so if you've ever spent you know

1112
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:45,440
that amount of time in that type of

1113
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,839
temperature we were just frozen and it

1114
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,599
was like two in the morning three in the

1115
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:51,680
morning and we were closing up and

1116
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:53,920
that's the other thing this phenomena as

1117
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:55,119
ted said

1118
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:57,760
it has an intelligence to it it always

1119
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:59,760
knows your weakest moments

1120
00:41:02,309 --> 00:41:00,720
and

1121
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,319
when you're not prepared that's when

1122
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:03,920
this stuff will happen

1123
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,240
so we were closing up which is a very

1124
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:08,400
stupid thing to do we had our cameras

1125
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:09,520
put up

1126
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:10,319
and

1127
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:21,280
across a seven acre field into the

1128
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:22,319
timber

1129
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:23,760
and it went out

1130
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:26,160
and then the vantage point the source

1131
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,079
was over that timber

1132
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:30,480
and the light went across the field

1133
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,079
and came right up to the bottom of the

1134
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,720
deer stand where adam and i were

1135
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,560
getting ready to get out of

1136
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:39,359
and it it just more or less said to us

1137
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:42,240
like i know exactly where you guys are

1138
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:44,079
and the minute it start coming up got to

1139
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:46,079
the bottom of the deer stand the light

1140
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,400
just went out and that was it

1141
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:50,640
and there again ted was in another field

1142
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:52,480
he should have seen this from his

1143
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:55,520
location he he had no idea this was

1144
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,880
going on with us he couldn't see

1145
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:58,880
anything so

1146
00:42:02,470 --> 00:41:59,920
you know

1147
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:02,480
you're dealing with an intelligence and

1148
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:05,119
we proved it so many times that

1149
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:06,960
uh

1150
00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:09,200
it's just phenomenal you know and how do

1151
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:10,720
you explain that

1152
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:14,079
but we've we've also um explored a lot

1153
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:14,960
on

1154
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:16,880
people have been abducted and people

1155
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,440
have had close encounters with orbs and

1156
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,680
they always come away with some sort of

1157
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,760
sickness or ailment

1158
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:25,520
shortly afterwards right

1159
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:27,520
yeah a lot of these abductees that we've

1160
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:30,240
talked to they all have some medical

1161
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,920
issues with them

1162
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:33,599
or went through a period where they had

1163
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,640
some physical uh you know trauma or just

1164
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,319
weird diseases that popped out of

1165
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:40,800
nowhere what was the one louis that uh

1166
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:42,839
the the famous one i think it was

1167
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:45,839
hashimoto's that's hashimoto's column

1168
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:48,400
yeah just weird autoimmune diseases that

1169
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,560
you know basically nobody ever heard of

1170
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:52,240
and these people were getting diagnosed

1171
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:54,160
with it kind of like a macular cyst like

1172
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:55,440
who do you know that's ever had one of

1173
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,480
those

1174
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:58,480
they seem to spur on weird things that

1175
00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:00,079
normally wouldn't form

1176
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,000
and i mean if it is microwaves that

1177
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,000
makes a lot of sense

1178
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:06,640
right and and you know it just goes on

1179
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:08,960
and on into so many realms and and i

1180
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:11,280
would just like to urge people to go to

1181
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:13,359
you can just

1182
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:15,680
do google my name or my youtube channel

1183
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:17,920
it's free i've got several movies

1184
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:20,240
everything in marley ted's early work i

1185
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,000
got several movies up there free you can

1186
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:24,480
go to and view and uh i have a very

1187
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:26,960
great after ted passed away i did an

1188
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:29,359
interview jack valet did a tribute to

1189
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:30,160
ted

1190
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:33,760
in marley

1191
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:36,880
and one particular instant instance he

1192
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,720
recounts is

1193
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,720
when jock stayed with us out there and

1194
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,400
and we also had another guest some of

1195
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:44,160
the people that dropped in with us

1196
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:46,160
douglas trumbull was staying with us and

1197
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:48,000
you know douglas trumbo is a special

1198
00:43:52,829 --> 00:43:51,359
effects master a 2001 space odyssey

1199
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:52,839
brainstorm

1200
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,079
uh you know and on and on uh close

1201
00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:58,720
encounters but douglas state he was very

1202
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:01,359
much making camera equipment high-tech

1203
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:04,400
stuff to try to catch you know

1204
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,040
the phenomena and douglas was out there

1205
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:09,760
with us and jock was out there and we

1206
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,960
had an old cabin on on marley out there

1207
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:15,119
and it was raining the particular

1208
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:17,280
evening and the property owner was out

1209
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:19,200
there and douglas wanted to put this

1210
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:20,960
high-tech piece of equipment in the

1211
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,079
cabin facing the north window

1212
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:26,640
and uh and this thing was i bet the

1213
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:29,599
whole configuration probably weighed 75

1214
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:33,119
80 pounds on a heavy tripod put it in

1215
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:35,040
the cabin at the north window locked it

1216
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:38,319
down and we left that night this was

1217
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,480
going to run all night

1218
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:42,400
we left the cabin the property owner

1219
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:44,000
locked the door and the property owner

1220
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:45,839
doesn't live there on that where we were

1221
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:46,800
staying

1222
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,359
he left the next morning we go in and

1223
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,680
jack valet talks about this in this

1224
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:54,000
tribute to ted it's so great to hear the

1225
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:56,720
man talk about his time in marley and uh

1226
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:59,280
he tells about how this the next morning

1227
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:01,520
we go to go in this cabin and douglas

1228
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:04,000
goes in to check his camera equipment

1229
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:06,079
and he comes back out towards us before

1230
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:07,599
we could get in the door

1231
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:09,680
and he he more or less accused somebody

1232
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:10,800
he said

1233
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:14,800
little bit more graphic language than

1234
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:17,520
this but he said who's screwing with me

1235
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,760
right now and and screwed around with

1236
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:21,280
this camera

1237
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:23,440
and we said well why and he said well

1238
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:25,599
come in here and we went in and jock

1239
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:26,960
talks about how

1240
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,119
this heavy p heavy piece of camera

1241
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,760
equipment on this tripod was turned 30

1242
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:34,079
degrees away from the window facing the

1243
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:36,880
wall now

1244
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:38,800
how do you explain that yeah that's

1245
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:41,280
pretty heavy equipment right yeah yeah i

1246
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:42,800
mean and it's not going to move on its

1247
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:46,160
own in a locked cabin right yeah yeah

1248
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,079
and it's so similar to the stuff i will

1249
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,400
tell you that bigelow experience and

1250
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:52,880
told us what went on at skinwalker you

1251
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:55,280
know they set up high-speed cameras and

1252
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,760
this sounds boring as as hell to the to

1253
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:59,119
a novice but

1254
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:01,839
they set up high-speed cameras on a

1255
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:03,119
tabletop

1256
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:06,079
with a set of keys now

1257
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:08,319
it's well why would they do that

1258
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:10,400
but they actually had three high-speed

1259
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,400
cameras on a set of keys on this table

1260
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,040
at skinwalker and

1261
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:18,000
here what what had occurred was

1262
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:21,280
within these three cameras this set of

1263
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:24,720
keys would go from point a b c around

1264
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:25,760
the table

1265
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:28,560
and not be caught moving on high-speed

1266
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:29,680
cameras

1267
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:32,000
now the only way they could explain that

1268
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:35,040
was this is dimensionally based this

1269
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:36,160
actually

1270
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:39,200
morphed it like it went through a portal

1271
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:41,359
it reappeared you know in another

1272
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:42,640
location

1273
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,839
because if it had moved in our realm

1274
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,280
these cameras would have well caught

1275
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:49,760
this action but it just would show up

1276
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:52,400
point a b and c and back and forth like

1277
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:53,200
that

1278
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:54,000
now

1279
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:55,520
how do you explain that

1280
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,079
so i've even seen trail cam footage from

1281
00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:00,079
skinwalker ranch where you know they're

1282
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:01,760
motion activated anything goes near it

1283
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,000
it goes off so they have the reel and it

1284
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,920
was it was focused at like the base of a

1285
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:07,920
tree and it was in the snow so the snow

1286
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,480
is perfectly undisturbed and it's like

1287
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:12,800
five frames like that all of a sudden

1288
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:15,440
there's like a wolf footprint

1289
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:17,200
and but there's no sign of the animal

1290
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:19,040
that made it the print just came out of

1291
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:21,200
nowhere but there was no flash or mask

1292
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:23,359
that was associated with the print and

1293
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:24,960
as they run the reel you could see it

1294
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:26,240
it's like nothing nothing nothing and

1295
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:29,440
then a print well how does that happen

1296
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,119
that's right and you know

1297
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:33,359
that's so often like we had the property

1298
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:35,200
owner would send us imagery and we'd

1299
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:36,960
check it when we were to get out there

1300
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:39,760
but on like in the on a winter morning

1301
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:42,240
you know he had a pond and real thin ice

1302
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:44,000
real just with a light coat of snow on

1303
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:44,720
it

1304
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:48,640
and he found 13 inch diameter three-toed

1305
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:49,680
tracks

1306
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:52,160
going starting going across this pond

1307
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:53,760
and terminating in the center of the

1308
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,440
pond now that

1309
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,680
amount of mass there and weight to you

1310
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:01,760
know 13-inch track three-toed what could

1311
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:04,000
do that when the property owner went to

1312
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,520
step on the ice

1313
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:07,920
he broke through with his weight

1314
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:08,960
so

1315
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,720
how do you lay down

1316
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:12,960
how does anything with that man unless

1317
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:15,200
dimensionally this stuff was in the

1318
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:18,880
process of morphing in and out you know

1319
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:19,599
but

1320
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:21,359
it goes on and on like that the high

1321
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:24,240
strangeness uh no explanations you know

1322
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:25,119
uh

1323
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:26,000
but

1324
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,760
what are some of the best

1325
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:31,440
lessons that you've learned from ted

1326
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:34,000
phillips

1327
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:36,160
it's i'll tell you it's

1328
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:39,359
what i've learned from ted is to

1329
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,119
so many researchers like to go in and uh

1330
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:45,760
interject things in a in an area

1331
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:48,640
and i always i love his approach just

1332
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:50,319
you're there to monitor

1333
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,280
uh

1334
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:53,280
don't bring in any more interject

1335
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:55,119
anymore

1336
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:58,000
anything else foreign in the area than

1337
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:00,400
what is there and and go from that point

1338
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,319
of view and the high strangeness and

1339
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,319
it goes on to that there's an

1340
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:08,079
intelligence there

1341
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:10,559
that you're dealing with and you know my

1342
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,040
first trip there to marley we slept

1343
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:15,359
upstairs in in an area for the team they

1344
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:18,079
had like a bedroom office combination

1345
00:49:23,190 --> 00:49:21,200
the kitchen below and um

1346
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:23,200
but when we were sleeping up there ted

1347
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:26,000
told me the phenomena about it and i i

1348
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:27,520
heard ted in the beginning and i didn't

1349
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,599
pay too much attention to it

1350
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:31,920
and um and anything ted phillips ever

1351
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:34,720
said you better take his gospel because

1352
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:37,680
i mean he was the real artifact and

1353
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:40,720
but one evening i was up there and we

1354
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:42,000
didn't go out

1355
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,720
typically we go out unlike and so many

1356
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:46,240
ufologists know and they're in a

1357
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,760
paranormal world that uh usually 12 a.m

1358
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:51,599
is not to be witching hour it tends to

1359
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:54,240
be 3 a.m more than 12 but

1360
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:57,599
but we usually go out at 3 a.m sometimes

1361
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:00,720
earlier and one particular

1362
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:03,280
morning we just slept in and and i

1363
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:05,200
remember it was about

1364
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:08,559
i three four in the morning and uh

1365
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:10,960
something shook me and woke me up and i

1366
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:12,800
just had this overwhelming sense of

1367
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:15,359
euphoria joy and i i just thought i was

1368
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:16,800
going to go on the deck and see the

1369
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,640
mothership i mean

1370
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:20,880
i can't describe that something

1371
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:22,960
physically shook me woke me up and i

1372
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:24,800
just had this feeling and euphoria i ran

1373
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,520
out on the deck just and then it went to

1374
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:29,119
depression almost there was nothing

1375
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:32,079
there nothing and bummed out

1376
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:33,359
yeah

1377
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,920
and so i go in and made a very unwise

1378
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,440
move one thing you didn't want to do

1379
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:39,599
though is wake ted phillips in the

1380
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:41,440
morning if he was sleeping the few times

1381
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:43,920
he did sleep and i woke ted and i

1382
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:46,079
explained to ted what happened and

1383
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:47,920
looking for some kind of substantial

1384
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,400
response something you know scientific

1385
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:52,319
and and ted just looked at me and he

1386
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,440
said well tom welcome to marley he said

1387
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:57,359
so

1388
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:01,760
thing drew you out of bed like you were

1389
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:03,440
euphoric the whole time from leaving

1390
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:05,839
your room to going outside yeah it

1391
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:07,920
physically shook i mean i woke up i felt

1392
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:09,760
something shake like somebody grabbed my

1393
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:12,240
arm and was shaking me right and there

1394
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:14,000
was nothing there and i just had this

1395
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:15,200
euphoria

1396
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:16,960
i mean if i'd have seen the mothership

1397
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,720
right there which i i thought i was

1398
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,880
going to go out and make contactors i

1399
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,559
mean i and that's not to say there

1400
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:24,640
wasn't something there i i really

1401
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:26,079
believe there was

1402
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:26,880
uh

1403
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:29,440
but you know it wasn't visual

1404
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:30,480
um

1405
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:31,920
we didn't have our equipment up and

1406
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:34,720
running that particular time uh

1407
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:38,079
which i will tell you uh doing the show

1408
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:41,200
with ben hansen and ufo witness

1409
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:44,000
uh ben brought into the play some

1410
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,400
state-of-the-art equipment

1411
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:48,400
uh one thing that i felt was

1412
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:50,960
indispensable had we had that in marley

1413
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:53,359
was his top grade thermal imaging

1414
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,040
equipment that he had

1415
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:57,520
and uh you know when we did the show out

1416
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:58,880
there

1417
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:00,720
he imaged

1418
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:03,119
uh when we were up into one deer stand

1419
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:05,520
out there and ben told me said oh i've

1420
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:07,040
got something here

1421
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:08,640
he said i don't know if this was a small

1422
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:11,280
animal or something and i i told ben i

1423
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:13,440
from experience with light bulbs i said

1424
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,440
no that's not an animal i said that's

1425
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:17,520
spherical then that's and it's off the

1426
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,400
ground

1427
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:20,720
uh and for all intents and purposes it

1428
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:23,520
looked like a light bulb but now i had

1429
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:26,319
uh night vision equipment i couldn't see

1430
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:27,920
it with night vision i couldn't see it

1431
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:29,440
with my naked eye

1432
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:31,680
the thermal imaging equipment picked us

1433
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:32,400
up

1434
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:36,160
and as it moved across and as he was

1435
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:38,640
zeroing in zooming in on this thing

1436
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:40,880
his piece of equipment just shut down it

1437
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:44,079
just went completely dead and i told ben

1438
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:45,760
several thousand dollar piece of state

1439
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:48,400
of the equipment he had there um which

1440
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,240
he sells by the way some of that

1441
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:52,720
equipment i said does it have a habit of

1442
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:54,880
doing this ben and said it's never done

1443
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:57,040
this no he said i don't understand and

1444
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,280
about that time he came back on

1445
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:01,440
and he caught a brief glimpse of this

1446
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:05,200
again on the imagery and then he

1447
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:07,520
we were in radio contact with the

1448
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:09,920
producer and other people on the ground

1449
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,640
melissa tittle was sarah's co-host they

1450
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:14,800
ran on the ground he directed them to

1451
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:17,359
the location and about the time they got

1452
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:19,520
there this thing blinked out now they

1453
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:22,079
couldn't see it at all

1454
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,119
but

1455
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:25,920
i in the back of my mind i was thinking

1456
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:28,160
how often in the past if we had that

1457
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:30,160
thermal imaging unit

1458
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:32,079
could we have perceived this how often

1459
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:34,559
was this stuff around us in that realm

1460
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,079
that we couldn't perceive without that

1461
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:38,800
piece of equipment yeah so

1462
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,640
you know when we go back i very much

1463
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:42,960
always want to have a piece of equipment

1464
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:45,839
like that because it can start

1465
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:48,240
you know this stuff may kick off in that

1466
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:51,200
mode and then go visual right

1467
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:52,160
so

1468
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,119
you know

1469
00:53:57,430 --> 00:53:55,200
even the newest equipment that they had

1470
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:57,440
on the nimitz that's what

1471
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:00,319
got them to spot the tic tac yes um

1472
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:03,119
activity right for like two weeks and

1473
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:04,880
that's because there was new equipment

1474
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:07,040
so as equipment uh even louie was

1475
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:10,400
mentioning uh that gentleman uh that we

1476
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:13,040
had on with uh caroline corey that made

1477
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:16,079
that uh yeah david mason david mason oh

1478
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:18,160
man i'm so bad with names but uh yeah

1479
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:20,000
david mason's like you know just the

1480
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:22,400
ingenuity that these people have

1481
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:24,160
are coming up with ideas of like how to

1482
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:26,079
spot these things on different spectrums

1483
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:27,040
now

1484
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,640
when we're talking about the radiation

1485
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,640
that is coming from this morally woods

1486
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,160
is it coming from the ground is it

1487
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:34,240
coming from above do you think

1488
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:35,440
you know

1489
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:38,160
here again i we more or less we believe

1490
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:39,599
it's coming

1491
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,000
it's not

1492
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:46,559
it's source isn't the ground okay we

1493
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:49,119
feel that what we dealt with

1494
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:51,200
was coming out of the sky

1495
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:53,839
and uh in everything that we dealt with

1496
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:56,880
we just believed that all right so

1497
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:59,200
and again uh you know when we were out

1498
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:02,160
there filming and my piece of equipment

1499
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,359
i actually

1500
00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:05,520
i got a stronger reading

1501
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:08,000
as i raised my arm with it

1502
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:10,400
and if i would go down towards the

1503
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:13,119
ground it would tend to go down a couple

1504
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:16,000
degrees in intensity so i very much

1505
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:17,920
think now what we experienced was coming

1506
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,880
from we were sky based or dimensionally

1507
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:22,720
based over us

1508
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,119
so uh but now that's not to say you know

1509
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:27,520
a skinwalker it seems that times would

1510
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:29,680
be coming from

1511
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:32,160
everywhere you know so

1512
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:33,760
when we interviewed thomas winterton

1513
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,520
from skinwalk around she basically told

1514
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:37,280
us the same thing that at a certain

1515
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:39,520
point in the sky i forget if it was a

1516
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:42,079
couple hundred feet or 1400 sticks out

1517
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:44,000
in my mind for some reason but a lot of

1518
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:45,680
their experiments were to put weather

1519
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:48,480
balloons with instrumentation on it to

1520
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,799
be able to get it up into that zone

1521
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:52,640
because you know the closer they would

1522
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:54,160
get to it that's where the anomalous

1523
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,480
things seem to happen so right very

1524
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,960
similarly they believe the source to be

1525
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,720
in the sky as well now even though they

1526
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:02,559
get readings from the ground

1527
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,799
the strongest ones tend to be uh kind of

1528
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:06,559
mid sky sort of thing

1529
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:09,680
yeah and i will tell you that uh the

1530
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:11,680
technology of the day had we had the

1531
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:14,480
drone technology that they have now

1532
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:16,640
ted was so far ahead of his time in that

1533
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:18,799
realm too and i will tell you ted was

1534
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:21,119
taking model airplanes

1535
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:23,599
and helicopters trying to attach cameras

1536
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:26,240
to him because he always envisioned his

1537
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:28,240
dream was when we seen a light source

1538
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:29,280
come on

1539
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:31,680
he was going to fly this right into this

1540
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:34,160
portal and see what he could get

1541
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:36,319
and if he could make it there now had we

1542
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:39,040
had the drone technology that you know

1543
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:41,040
that you have now yeah it could have

1544
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:43,599
well been done you know but but there

1545
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:45,680
again you have to realize this stuff the

1546
00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:47,920
intelligence you're dealing with would

1547
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:50,480
it have let us do this you know maybe

1548
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:53,760
not yeah because uh it controlled us we

1549
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:56,000
didn't control ted always called marley

1550
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:59,200
his living laboratory and by the end and

1551
00:57:02,230 --> 00:57:01,440
even jacques villa and others had said

1552
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:02,240
that

1553
00:57:09,750 --> 00:57:06,319
laboratory you know it was monitoring

1554
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,760
exploring experimenting with us and as

1555
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:11,760
ted said so much you know

1556
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:13,760
he he loved the structured craft the

1557
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:16,559
nuts and bolts stuff the tonnage and

1558
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:18,559
like he said when our technology

1559
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:19,760
increased

1560
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,319
it it went into the light bulb arena you

1561
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:24,240
know the light bulbs are so prevalent

1562
00:57:29,670 --> 00:57:26,480
now and he felt like they lowered their

1563
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:29,680
risk factors our technology increased

1564
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:32,079
you know they lowered their risk factor

1565
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:34,640
in more like a rov using natural

1566
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:36,799
elements light being you know or

1567
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:39,119
whatever and uh if you have a structured

1568
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,960
craft you can prove it if you have a

1569
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:42,400
light ball when it's there it's there

1570
00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:44,400
when it's gone you've got nothing right

1571
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:46,640
you got no residue usually there has

1572
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,880
been cases where there's been residue

1573
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:50,000
but uh

1574
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:52,880
but you know more or less that's where

1575
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:54,640
that's the one thing he learned over the

1576
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:56,000
years that

1577
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:58,640
it the intelligence lowers its risk

1578
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:00,880
it's constantly adapting at the

1579
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:03,520
intelligence uh it's working you out

1580
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:04,319
there

1581
00:58:08,549 --> 00:58:06,799
and you just can't get ahead of it and

1582
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:08,559
as you've seen on skinwalker there was a

1583
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:10,720
gentleman there in their conference room

1584
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:12,480
that told them in that one

1585
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:14,079
you know episode and i loved that

1586
00:58:18,069 --> 00:58:16,240
episode where he said you people think

1587
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:18,079
you're in control of this and you're on

1588
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,480
top of it he said let me tell you it's

1589
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:22,559
it's controlling you it's working you

1590
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:25,760
yeah so uh and we that's exactly what we

1591
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:29,680
found to be true have you found um any

1592
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:31,760
like because i've asked this before but

1593
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:34,240
to some other guests but like spiritual

1594
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:36,319
people do they have a different effect

1595
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:37,599
in that area

1596
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:40,400
like are they more open receptive to

1597
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:43,200
the weird phenomenon i i will tell you

1598
00:58:48,549 --> 00:58:45,359
that and this wasn't again in a realm

1599
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:48,559
where ufologists if you go here

1600
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:50,799
they'll throw rocks at you i know and uh

1601
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:51,599
but

1602
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:54,400
we experience things ourselves and

1603
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:55,839
i will tell you that the older

1604
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:57,520
individuals witnesses some of them

1605
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:59,359
around marley

1606
00:59:01,510 --> 00:59:00,240
uh

1607
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:01,520
the more

1608
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:04,880
religious people some of them they and

1609
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:06,640
most of the people for whatever reason

1610
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:08,720
seem to have the knack

1611
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:10,720
they can perceive this stuff before it's

1612
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:12,319
going to start

1613
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:14,559
now some of the older people

1614
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,160
they'll go in their house they'll lock

1615
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:18,400
the doors they'll pull the shades down

1616
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,960
they view it as being demonic and they

1617
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:23,040
won't go outside when they think this

1618
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:24,720
stuff is going to start

1619
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:26,880
now over the years there's other

1620
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:29,599
individuals i will tell you in the area

1621
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:31,280
back in the 20s

1622
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:34,400
they used to go to this location with

1623
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:36,480
picnic tables and folding chairs and use

1624
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:38,880
it as a source of entertainment sometime

1625
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:41,040
and watch the light bulbs and one

1626
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:43,520
instant there one field they call it

1627
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:45,440
the twinkle lights where the whole field

1628
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:47,760
it looks like fireflies there's little

1629
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:50,559
tiny lights come up from the ground and

1630
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:52,720
cover the whole field and just blink all

1631
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:54,960
night long and uh

1632
00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:57,040
so they used to use it some individuals

1633
01:00:02,230 --> 00:59:59,920
as entertainment but yes uh some

1634
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:02,240
individuals have felt and it's affected

1635
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:03,359
some people

1636
01:00:06,470 --> 01:00:05,119
there again um

1637
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:06,480
in a

1638
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:08,319
i would you know you can just

1639
01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:11,119
some aspects of it is we truly feel

1640
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:13,359
it is evil and there is that

1641
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,599
that presence at times

1642
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:17,520
like you it's palpable like you can feel

1643
01:00:21,030 --> 01:00:18,480
it

1644
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:21,040
yeah oh yeah okay yeah

1645
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:22,880
yeah ben i will tell you

1646
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:25,359
and they might i don't know how much

1647
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:26,960
they want this to be known but ben and

1648
01:00:30,870 --> 01:00:28,799
melissa that were out there

1649
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:30,880
uh and marley they got shook a couple

1650
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:32,480
times and uh

1651
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:34,480
in one instance where melissa was out

1652
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:36,400
there we were out there filming and

1653
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:37,839
and all of a sudden you know you have

1654
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:40,480
all the insect noise and she you can see

1655
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:42,960
this on the episode i mean all of a

1656
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:43,839
sudden

1657
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:47,200
and i have hearing problems myself

1658
01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:48,079
uh

1659
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:50,559
and she was the first one to

1660
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:52,720
key in on this i mean all of a sudden

1661
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:55,119
from insect noise and your sounds of the

1662
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:56,480
night and everything

1663
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:58,079
it just went

1664
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:00,799
dead silence i mean you could you could

1665
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:03,200
almost hear yourself breathe yeah and

1666
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,240
you could feel and i mean they were

1667
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:08,880
actually shook up they felt this and

1668
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:11,280
they were looking at each other and you

1669
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:12,319
get to the point where you don't know

1670
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:14,799
what's going to happen then you know

1671
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:16,240
you're like we're going in for a ride

1672
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:19,520
boys hang on grab your coats

1673
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,480
yeah

1674
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:22,319
uh louie do you have any final questions

1675
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:23,760
for our guest today no i just want to

1676
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:25,760
send a big thanks out to our guest today

1677
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:27,599
thomas ferrario uh

1678
01:01:32,309 --> 01:01:29,680
cast member and host of the new show ufo

1679
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:32,319
witness which we highly recommend um and

1680
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:34,079
again thank you for your years and years

1681
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:36,480
of dedication if it wasn't for guys like

1682
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:38,480
you in this movement yeah you know 20

1683
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:40,559
years ago it wouldn't have the kind of

1684
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:42,960
momentum that it has now and continuing

1685
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:44,160
forward you know the stuff you're

1686
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:46,960
figuring out uh is helping us understand

1687
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:47,920
how

1688
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:50,720
crazy this phenomenon really is and the

1689
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:52,160
fact that it really doesn't have a limit

1690
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:53,760
you know it's not just limited to nuts

1691
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:56,400
and bolts or lights it's at the quantum

1692
01:02:00,789 --> 01:01:59,039
level and uh yeah can you continue doing

1693
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:00,799
what you're doing we really enjoy what

1694
01:02:04,630 --> 01:02:02,640
you guys are on to and uh we hope to

1695
01:02:06,870 --> 01:02:04,640
have you back again one day soon

1696
01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:06,880
oh well thank you so much and i just

1697
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:08,799
encourage anybody to go to my youtube

1698
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:10,960
channel you can see about ted phillips

1699
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:12,480
marley woods everything there's movies

1700
01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:15,119
there for free and see what went on

1701
01:02:22,590 --> 01:02:17,119
perfect thank you sir